Hey guys... I have decided to write this post after a cup match yesterday triggered this argument. In a UNGL match are you allowed to use X-ray? Now... the reason people were annoyed with someone using x-ray in a cup is because of past experiences; last cup we played in we went out first round- the team that we played were high skilled, however they were so random even for a known team suspisions were raised. But they were using X-ray... so if they were cheating you could tell in their screenshots? NO. After the game they uploaded their screenies and we uploaded ours and nothing else was said apart from me saying to an admin to watch out for that team. Anyway, time went by and the team defeated various other teams and all of a sudden the head admin kicked the team out of the cup because at least one member was caught with cheats. They were using x-ray and it took 3-4 admins about 2 hours to watch through the demo of our match before he was caught cheating. The player (cyrax) which some of you may know was then later kicked out of the team.

Anyway... after that, the point i am making is UNGL needs to make its mind up about what they are using.. one or the other. When we heard that the team we were playing last night were using x-ray... all of our members said that it is not worth the hastle and that we would just let tem claim default. It wasn\'t until iwicsy said that we might as well play as we would have got a mix anyway. so we played.

From a players point of view... Libra is a much smaller file size than x-ray and is worth using, however apparently their may be problems with borken gfx drivers causing some screenies to go black. X-ray is easily bypassable so i am asking admins to think and talk about what is to be used during UNGL matches and cups. I believe that Libra should be used but the problems do need to be sorted.

Anyway... i have said my bit hopefully it has got you admins thinking :D

Thank you

Jstar :)

Thanks for the feedback.
Libra has become more and more stable in the recent weeks/months. People haven\'t realized this yet. However - Libra will be a MUST in UNGL Officials soon.

Some people aren\'t using any anti cheat, Like morons and are dishing out the defaults.

If you\'re playing in an official you can demand they used Libra in match rules or don\'t accept the GAME (Not the results, THE GAME). In other words: Libra or no game.

//Xano.

guys i must say :) libra is quick and lag free well when i use xray i cant use steam chat or anything but libra :) its awwwsome fast upload fast install and easy even thgh i haven\' used it yet LOOl thts wht my team says :) 10/10

im starting to think that cs;s is turning to 1.6 , all kids will soon start cheat ;/ buy haxxx and stuff , and anticheats will be ussles like in 1.6 ;///

I did say last night that 1 person was using Xray.

I also stated that Libra can cause problems with some Vista/7 Systems as my team have had issues with this.

 hrizn
he said ALL people :P

 Jstar
if you can find previous proof of hacking, like actual evidence and prove it is who you say it is, then admins here can do something about it, past hackers have been insta banned before.

Also i was in game spec\'ing ALOT of that match(like 25 rounds), tbh I think with you lot moaning at the start lost it for you, if you just let that slide an played you probs woulda won. But your morale was so low when you started. I don\'t know, me an Tankza both spec\'ed that game, I\'ve got the demo which I need to look at as well. But I don\'t think I\'m gonna find anything, but I\'ll go through it 5 times (1 for each player) and I\'ll get back to you guys

//Switch

marE can i just clarify that the only reason why we had ANY reason to say you were hacking last was because you were using x-ray and that is because it is not you as a player but the anti-cheat system :D Our team never had our heads in the game due to the fact we were going to default it knowing people were using x-ray but we played anyway for the hell of playing.

MOD just had fun looking at all your funny screenshots of people desktop and tbh as an end result we got a better understanding of Libra and some of the problems the program has.

But anyway.... i just want to say thank you to the UNGL community and admins for your interest and support to this problem :D
See you around

Thanks again

Jstar :D

+1 with Jstar on this 1, XAC is by-passable by most if not all private cheats out there, all the people in UNGL whom i have played with XAC on were extremely clueless but still pre-fire you and know where you are, ones using libra normal people.

All games should be libra forced, failure to do this will result in a middle finger and a **** off to a different league, SORTED

well that is something which needs to be sorted because with that excuse people will use x-ray and that what from the response i have got not many people want.

Jstar

Yeah it\'s being sorted + new set of rules etc.

We have taken this seriously. Do understand we did what we could at the time, given the next round started very quickly, another thing we are changing.

Basically his problem with Libra was 100% we looked into this, an XAC+ POV was the next thing, its either he used that or nothing, which would you rather have him use?

He supplied XAC and POV. Which is fair enough.

Thanks for not being all rage though Jstar, I like the fact you can talk about something normally :)

//Switch

lol switchblade i play with you in mixes i never rage :D anyway... eKa if you prefer x-ray then thats fine and i understand that libra is in beta but you must understand my point.

Switch... this is not totally about the match last night.... MOD played like **** and that why we lost but i am concerned about the admin ruling of x-ray and pov... tbh as long as there a demo playing though the server is there much point in making a pov? But like i said before there needs to be a definate rule about anti-cheats :D

Jstar

jstar do i know you :S from twk surf?...

maybe not, probz just me being stupid again xD

 Jstar
yeah but ED say if you cant Xray use POV....even with STV on so I duno xD
but yeah :P see what you mean, Libra rules will be alot heavier from next week anyways, just need to draft up a few set of rules for this an that, make sure everyone is happy with them and volla :D

//Switch

hehe....
1. eka the k looks like a capital :D
2. snyperpunk yes i am from twk skill surf.. HEY long time no see after update
3. it wierd i know switch but it being sorted so good good :DDDDD

what a quick and easy way to reply to 3 posts :D

Jstar

 switcheHHH!

What i didn\'t understand with the decision at the time was to allow someone to use XRAY; now having a decent understanding of XRAY than most; XRAY is a much larger file and a bigger processor for ANY gfx card to handle than Libra mainly due to the secondary source it works with; thus meaning that any problems with Libra should of occurred with XRAY also.

You asked him to run a POV and XRAY? you do know right a POV is a larger factor into \"lagg\" than any other AC that is around; so it doesn\'t make sense to allow someone to use XRAY and make them POV.

Utilising a rule for the leagues and cups means you stick by them doesn\'t it? as ED accounts for you use XRAY or you dont play? the only time you get to use a POV in ED if if your XRAY is not working full stop; or problems with the uploading figures (some get more shots than it shows to upload and other way round) this is then looked into immediately not on what looks like a spread of over a week with the given example.

if you are using a AC that is in the process of beta you don\'t allow it to become a mandatory AC for cups and leagues for then to just say oh well use XRAY.

I would also like to bring some constructive criticism towards the admins in this area; yes fair enough i know what its like to have **** loads of people on IRC and steam howling at you to do something; but i suggest for future problems from any of the games from that cup that you PREPARE for such situations; it seemed that all was in the air and judgement day had appeared; thus leading to the aftermath between players and admins. though you guys believe what you did was right in the given scenario you have to understand it cant be one rule for one and one for another; and what it seemed was no player was given a inch of room to express themselves or the admin s did no want to see it from the players view.

Its like whets the point of having a \"being green\" ticked timing when you dont have to use LIBRA? you might as well allow that person to play and use libra; it works in the same manor.

This is not just at our game for my reaction this stands for all what i have seen so far in all the cup\'s.

tbh the idea of pov\'ing without xac would of been better? after all you are then watching it from the players point of view?! I don\'t know if i\'m wrong and do correct me but is it even possible to bypass your own pov? :S server sided tv isn\'t going to show you a well used wallhack etc.. and I don\'t know what problems there are with xac as I have been off the scene for a while and just come back!

And I do agree with the above POV is a larger scale lag factor than any AC as I can\'t even play when POV\'ing due to lag that builds up every kb the file size gets bigger..

I\'m not giving my opinion towards the matter as it really doesn\'t bother me I know I don\'t hack and thats I will ever need to know if someone wants to hack against me then they have lost there own battle at trying to be a good player!

I would like to see people\'s responses tbh I think this topic could get alot more interesting as it goes on!!

Maybe the survival of this league cares?!

If the people that play within it can\'t discuss these kind of things in depth without just being thrown out and closing it then what chance does it have to keep peoples faith towards them!

-1 eka :P

POV = nout, dude could have been cheating and making it look 0% dodgy...

still luckily libra gets forced.

 EMPEROR
for the 50th time? he had a Libra problem that occured that day it seems hence the XAC/POV

All the other matches we let people use XAC including 3 people from my team we had no complaints, fact of the matter is you kicked off quite hard about it, which is fair enough, no other teams did, an i dealt with 95% of conflicts in general on that cup,

but as admins said earlier, we have taken this seriously, and we do apologize for the quick decision and stricter rules are coming in place for Libra.

 hrizn
it\'s quite important for this league that this gets talked out an rules get put in place that enforce use of Libra regardless, which we are working on.

 switcheHHH!

for the 50th time? No that\'s the first time you have said that you said it was gfx related not LIBRA related at the time of the game; so what one is it?

Dont side step my questions; thats perhaps the most annoying thing when i take the time to right up a post; the questions are side stepped

\"Utilising a rule for the leagues and cups means you stick by them doesn\'t it? as ED accounts for you use XRAY or you dont play? the only time you get to use a POV in ED if if your XRAY is not working full stop; or problems with the uploading figures (some get more shots than it shows to upload and other way round) this is then looked into immediately not on what looks like a spread of over a week with the given example.

if you are using a AC that is in the process of beta you don\'t allow it to become a mandatory AC for cups and leagues for then to just say oh well use XRAY. \"

and

\"Its like whets the point of having a \"being green\" ticked timing when you dont have to use LIBRA? you might as well allow that person to play and use libra; it works in the same manor. \"

and finally

\"You asked him to run a POV and XRAY? you do know right a POV is a larger factor into \"lagg\" than any other AC that is around; so it doesn\'t make sense to allow someone to use XRAY and make them POV. \"

Pretty much my whole post wasn\'t answered or i doubt acknowledged by the admin s, i mean you just even stated for the survival of this league yet it took 2 days for someone to reply who is an admin? surely such things would be looked into a little more seriously from a players view.

We kicked off about the rules that were laid down were just by passed by a reason that doesn\'t seem justiciable in the long run for this league.

yeah hey jstar, nice to see you again :)

 EMPEROR
LOL? where have i said its graphic related on this post??

\'\'for the 50th time? he had a Libra problem that occured that day it seems hence the XAC/POV\'\' <--- i don\'t see how that suggests it.

I said several times to you on that day he had a Libra problem and I\'m getting tired of repeating this, and please stop putting words into my mouth its bloody frustrating to be fair.

He contacted an admin sent a screenshot of his problem, he has screens from PREVIOUS games that suggest he has gfx related problems with Libra as well as non graphical. I NEVER stated what problems he had, I merely said he was having issues with Libra and was told to use XAC an POV, that wasn\'t my decision, I don\'t handle Libra related issues.

If he\'s been told by a higher admin that me to use XAC an do a POV then he has to do that, which he did, and he uploaded both, without complaints of lagging.
The fact that XAC was allowed to be used actually has nothing to do with me.

You keep going on about not having to use Libra, but like I said before it was legit problem, the only person who can clear people to use Xray is the founder, Paradox. He made the AC so he knows all about it\'s problems. There were quite a few players who asked to use XAC but were forced to Libra because the problems were solved an not deemed to seriously to cause disruption in a game.

and it may be a larger factor into lag, but where did the issue of lag come into this anyways, his issue with Libra wasn\'t lag...

Infact not once in this whole thread have I suggested it was graphical..that\'s what you got from looking at past screenshots.

You say you don\'t understand the decision made to use XAC + POV. But it\'s been said by me at least 4 times. and by two other admins posted on this thread.

And to clarify, I never ever said at the \'\'time\'\' of the game it was gfx related at all, I said he was cleared to use XAC. I knew nothing about his problem till after the game.