Like the subject goes. Come an lads, put up some cups? Its not that hard to arrange cups and let em flow. Just a heads up. Abit tired of playing the ladder games and some cups with fun maps. Make a grand cup every week if you ask me.

Counter-Strike: Source
5on5
Standard Maps
UNGL Rules
Libra/XAC Mandatory

If you feel you dont have ENOUGH time, then you can extend the cup for a week and not just a day or two. Gives you time to solve issues and fix problems as well as protests if they occure.

I've been here now for three weeks and I've seen one Counter-Strike: Source cup with fun maps. If you ever want to be taken serious then pump out quality cups each week (at least one) so you gain hits and people start to play.

I see no reason for argue but come an. You're like 10 admins by now. 1 admin can take 1 cup for a week at least.

Thanks!

 dronee
I'm not here to criticize or something, I'm just stating - its boring to sit and wait. I like this page very much. Its very friendly, keen and serious. But its like... DEAD. You would rock the damn world if you would be at least somewhat active. Like I said, if you feel you're busy. Make a cup and make it for a whole week. That gives you what? 1 hour each day to shed some light on the cup in case there would be issues/cheat accuses/ problems etc. I've seen 4 administrators on one cup as well. A bit fail there. One is enough.

To be honest - no. Its not really that true. I mean. I will take Counter-Strike 1.6 a as example. All the communities use the same maps over and over again. The thing they do to make it more interesting is that they flip the maps around. Its not always round 1: De_dust2. They welcome of course new maps as well - but you could always see that ONE new map was played yes. Its either a final map or a middle cup map A example:

Cup #1 Map Pool:
De_Inferno
De_Nuke
De_Dust
De Train

Cup #2 Map Pool:
De_Dust2
De_Inferno
De_Train
De_Contra

Cup #3 Map Pool:
De_Nuke
De_Dust2
De_Tuscan
De_Inferno

... And so on. You can of course spice things up by hosting the final match in a own server, with SourceTV and let people spectate. Or if its going to be a one week cup - why not make coverages and predictions etc? Make the community get that "we" feeling. Mix up the maps. It dose not really matte what maps there are just that they are standard maps.

When I was a cup administrator once upon a time - 65milj years ago. We had plain rules who keep us in motion. For example: "Admins words are law" or "Respect admins decision". Semi-elites and elite players never argued. The reason for this was that more cups we're created and they though "we'll win the next cup". I'm made by steel. I don't care about prizes, names or reputation. Rules are rules and admins are admins. That's what did not work last time I worked for you. You we're to keen and vouched around. If it would be SK-Gaming Vs. newb-team.swe and SK would violate a rule that leads to disqualification and I was the admin I would follow the rules and disqualify SK-Gaming.

I know its a wall of text and much at the same time. "Nice and keen admins" will not work in a serious cup community. You need to be cold, neutral and patient to get the gears working.

 dronee
Give me full admin rights, give me a week and you'll have magic :D

 Rings of Saturn
LOL!
'You had 2 months, and you decided to have a power trip'
haha hsf = what a legend xD

 Rings of Saturn
No doubt - I guess I am very much mistaken...

er hsf id have to turn your down on that one ;D
DEFCON KLIMAX IS kEEEEEEN ;D
more cups xD MORE¬!!!

Lies. Admins have lives too. I think...

 Rings of Saturn
Dont take me wrong mate, but thats something I totally refuse to believe in. I dont know how well you use mIRC but people are SUPER active and just waiting for a cup to pop out. Just something in a decent level. When I say that I mean normal maps (like I stated previously).

 Ryn
Last time you held a CSS cup you used what? 4 admins? A cup should minimum have ONE admin per cup. http://ungl.org/e/cups/view/7 <- I guess you shouldnt learn the driver how to drive a car. You do things your way.

Here is a example:
http://www.t2p.se/tours.php?id=3993&a=view_info

1 cup, 1 day, 1 admin, 16 teams. Perfect made cup. Not even a issue. That page is just made so people can create their own cups etc. And it runs fine. All I say is that you could LEARN a lot.

 kLIMAX
Id love you to be in an Admin roll and have all the complaints from 100's of people with ' he's cheating ' Admins have a limited amount of time and they also have life's, its best to have more Admin's in a cup to get an more accurate view on something and every Admin gets an equal share of the work... But i can understand your point

but still more Admin's = a more stable cup

 eLm
Its no problem. I've done that. Hell - I even have a laptop where I have beside me where I view demos in case there are cheat accuses forwarded. Its very easy. The reason I do it like that is because I am DEDICATED. I want to have a okay reputation. Also - if you are smart enough you make rules. A example:
· You have 10 mins to upload demos and print screens after the match IF a conflict is made (a rule who could be fixed)
· You can maximum request two demos from a team. If the SourceTV demo is recorded that demo is valid
· If there is a cheat accusation you have to point pin out the tick in the demo so that the administrators can see that
... And so on. You keep it strict and simple. And if a cup is made up for a whole WEEK and there are FOUR maps to be played in a 16 man cup. Map 1 is 8 games total, map 2 is 4 games, map 3 is 2 games and map 4 is the final - 1 game. I dont see why its hard. If the cup starts at lets say 7:00 PM. All these games take like a hour to be played. You have hours to view demos and solve issues. And if you have a anti cheat as well as very good and strict rules the issue solving will go faster. For example: You watch a demo and see ONE weird thing a dude does. Of 16 rounds. Is it cheat or not? I'll let you decide that,

 Rings of Saturn
Like I stated above. Its not hard. I always surf with 2 computers and so on. Funny thing is that I alt tab a lot as well on the main one. LOEL! Back to the issue. Sure it happens - no doubt. But you can solve this swift and fast. Depends how fast you are. Im very fast on viewing demos. Like I stated to eLm above have a rule like:
· You can maximum request two demos from a team. If the SourceTV demo is recorded that demo is valid
· If there is a cheat accusation you have to point pin out the tick in the demo so that the administrators can see that
So instead of you searching and running around to bust people for hacks - you let them do that on their own. I mean. They are the lawyers - the game is the case and you're the judge and jury. Why should the jury search, solve and fight for evidence? They are the ones who need to VIEW the proof and not find it. Simple.

The Counter-Strike 1.6 community (my origin) has ALWAYS used mIRC for communication. It dosent mean its a fun cup. Its actually a very important tool.

Yes - I know a lot of making cups. One of those teachings are not to lick ass and be neutral. Fast. Effective. I've seen that demo, scoped it twice in 30 mins and I've never found a trace of cheat. KEEPSMILIN insisted there was cheat that match. After 30 mins (I was the first one who completed to check the demo) said there was no trace and judged the match NOT to KEEPSMILINs favour. The other team won - fair and square. What I did not understand was what the hell YOU were doing? It took me 15 mins to scoop that demo. And then 15 mins again. At the same time I was asking for the tick and other stuff (such as round, weapon and what player). I did not find a ****. And then that asshole from KEEPSMILIN was getting on my nervs. Because if you ask me - my PERSONAL opinion is: "When you play against UK people - if you do bad, your a newb. If you do good, you're a cheat0r". Thats why I never play with UK. Not even if he nicks PEZ and won 487 LANs and I get a callery. Not a chance. I'm not saying everyone like that. Hell no. This UNGL site proves one of the most mature UK people I've ever met. I was "kicked" because I had a attitude. Reason for my attitude is simple: Admins words are law. Thats a common cup rule in every tournament I've played. You never argue against a admin. I think ClanBase has that rule. If you PM a admin in a conflict you get the match lost automatically. You saw me as a cold hearted asshole. I ddint know any team there - hell I even favored KEEPSMILIN. But there was no evidence of that other team cheating - therefor KEEPSMILIN lost, plain and simple. You as a admin team

And of course
 Rings of Saturn
you do things YOUR way. But your way of HANDLING a cup is what gives you... Fail. Nothing else. As persons, the whole UNGL team are fantastic lads. But your WAY is soooo outdated. It makes yourselves look like fools. And dont take this offensive, mate.

Sorry for wall of text.

I've never had so much spell issues like I have in my previous post. Jesus ****ing christ...

guys dont litsen, you do an awesome job! the turnaments have been great and yeah, you really got 90% of top 50 eu teams in your cups! Keep it going

Cheers!

 Ryn
Are you even reading? This is regarded to the Counter-Strike: Source part. How you handle HoN, CoD and Tetris cups is not even in a care place. I can also start a HoN cup with prize money. I guess everyone can have the worlds 100 top teams in there. But thats not what Im saying nor caring about. Counter-Strike: Source is the game Im taking up mate ;E

 kLIMAX
You have seen the difficulty associated with running CSS cups consisting of primarily UK teams who cannot accept a lose - As I've said since day 1 of CSS: If you lose presume opposition is cheating, if your are winning presume opposition are ****ters and engage incessant flame (Now, Lets look at this from an admin point of view: We got flamed non stop [True meaning: We lost, but why am I being flamed non-stop] and THERE CHEATING FFS ARE YOU STUPID? LEARN TO ADMIN [True meaning: We lost but want to consume admins time because we cannot accept this loss]), this leaves us with nonstop having to deal with issues that are easily resolved yes, but take a metric tonne of time to sort out I personally don't mind dealing with flamers that's easy but cheating accusations that are clearly out of bounds are a joke. It's not as simple as setting up a cup and having everything go okay and for it to run smoothly people cry about not having cups when 99% of the time there the people who make it difficult for us to run cups.

The only 'write up' I have seen to describe CSS cups on UNGL is
 Rings of Saturn
with
[quote]
Get whinged at for not having cups.
Make a cup.
Get whinged at for not having the bog standard dribble maps.
Change map list to suit dribbling spastics.
Start cup.
Round 1 - get 5 teams accuse 5 other teams of cheating.
Stay up until 4am with 2 other admins(anonymous) demo watching.
Find no concrete evidence of cheating.
Get whined at because I'm a "bad admin"
Start round 2 + repeat. [/quote]

By the way: Not another one of these random flame threads, Just keep your cool and wait for cups. They are in the making but we are reviewing ways of dealing with conflicts in game, obviously this is just going to take time to change the current rules (slightly). Since the new "rules" came in and we request if you accuse someone of cheating people provide tic rates to back that up but the only response I have gotten from this is: "You'r the admin, you do it. I don't want to waste my time because it's your league so you do the work."

Edit: Keep adding bits on, I keep thinking of a way to describe the issue but it seems I'm just incessantly rambling.

 Xano
I understand you dude. Im not saying its not like that. But seriously, there is a golden rule:
· Admins decision/word is law/ must be respected.
I live by that rule - no matter if its there or not. I respect admins. Even if its a **** thats clueless as a tree - I still respect him. BUT! Who said you had to take **** from crying 12 year old kids? You deliver a message/decision. And close the case. I dont see why thats hard? I mean - where does it say you have to take **** and give it time? I dont even understand why you listen to them or care so much? You can end the discussion with: "There will be future cups where you can have the chance to win again". Or if they start flame you go strict: "Insulting a administrator will lead to instant and premenant ban from the website!". Use the logic. You use your spare time to make a cup. You host this cup. People whine and blame YOU for them violating the rules. Are you just going to take that? Does this website offer a callery somehow so people take **** or what? I really dont understand why it can be so hard fisting in a decision and leave them whine. You as a community wont take a hit. Hell - they will - they are still blabbering around and making this a big deal. The reason you take a it is because you engage with them and it takes time. Creates delays. If you host a cup and Im playing in it. I dont want sitt the hell still and waste time waiting for you to review a demo six times. Then I would be pissed. At least tell me the next game will be played tomorrow or something so I dont have to wait. That was a example. Thats the reason YOU take a hit. This is your UNGL. You're the admins. You're the law, the rules, the judge and jury. You host the cup. We're the players. If it dosent fit us, we will leave. So far people juice the **** out of you because some of you are VERY incompetent when holding and hosting cups (not saying who). There is a clear difference of how to administrate a cup and how to run a cup. Any monkey can sit in the CP and administrate a cup. But you seriously need brains and principles to run a cup. Im not stating anything here, just so you know.

Its as if a football referee dosent mean a **** in a premier league match. All the ****ing players can run around and put up red and yellow cards. The referees matter dosent count.

Im sorry if you people take this very offensive. But its way to obvious - some things - or the philosophy you follow dosent sum or add up how this can be the fault of a team 12 year old.

Im not going to tell you what to do - of course not - you do what ever you feel for. Its your cup page for the love of god. All I am doing is pointing out the obvious and stating up some things that you should consider. I've been the only mother ****er who have come up with ideas when it comes to creating all sort of tournaments and ideas behind it. At least you can do is listen and TRY. If it dosent work - fine - I was wrong. But you people tend to fix this website better then the loop holes in your cup/ladder rules. But please - don't get upset later on because people don't want to play cups that flaw in many, many ways.

You claim you don't have time to host cups. Understandable. You claim you're recruiting people as admins. Not understandable. Who do you want running your cups? Day[9] or what? :S I've offered my services by now to three different admins. They've all said "I don't want you to run cups alone". I laugh. I've run more ****tier hell cups then you can imagine. This is like stealing candy from no one. But sure. You're the owners. And I respect decision. I did not argue back. I quote: "You'r the admin, you do it. I don't want to waste my time because it's your league so you do the work." A simple answer is: "Check the rules. Thanks!" and if he chooses to do this or not - that's not YOUR issue. You dont need to put the cup on hold for that kind of ****. Just continue. If they are more 10000% that the opponent did cheat then they will point it out. In a professional way and mannered way. If you have GOOD teams in the cup - they will even understand why the cup is even going on (not to create any sort of delay)

And I dont care if SK-Gaming plays here in HoN. Thats HoN. Im talking about Counter-Strike: Source in general here.

Brits according to me are known for not listening to the outside world and known for being stubborn. Your downfall. All Im saying is it wont kill to try. At least you try and take a chance. Where the **** would the world be if there would be people not taking any chances by now?

PS: I love my wall of text!

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