So Tom "Gumpster" Gumbleton has done one of his more usual articles poking the interests of many to see what can be done. The topic this time is around the lack of a UK National League since the fall of EPS two years ago.

There are many other countries that currently operate a National League system which directly supports their domestic gaming scene in the hope of making it more recogniseable to the outside world and to help newbies come into the scene and discover the competitive side.

[center][quote]So one day I was just browsing around some news websites, mainly Cadred & HLTV, and noticed something that the UK eSports Scene kind of lacked. It lacks a unified National League as such, yes we have Leagues & Ladder websites that are owned by British Companies, or mainly British, yet we have no formal National League, that most other countries currently have in Europe. I tend to look at countries such as Germany, Poland, France, Sweden & Denmark.[/quote][/center]

Full Article here: [url=http://www.quickscope.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2965:uk-national-league&catid=655:stories]Click Here[/url]

What are your opinions, should we have a UK National League? If we did how would you make it work, your opinions are always wanted and appreciated, and it'd be great to see something like this take the communities feedback.

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ed should make a 10 team invite ladder with some prize money :P

Good article!

I have a lot of ideas with regards to this, as I've been thinking it is something we've needed for a long time.

The trouble is getting the people required together and agreeing on various things. The difference between flashes/smokes/molotovs has proven to be a ridiculous deal across everywhere over the past months, so then trying to agree on who/what/where/when for qualifying events, and then finals is a massive deal.

Another big thing would be an anti-cheat. ESL for EPS has its own, UNGL has Libra which is questioned by a lot of people, ED & KGL have nothing. If you're looking to introduce massive rewards (regardless of LAN finals) all qualifying events need to be run as best as possible, and with as near the same circumstances each time.

Also, on a side note purely meaning nothing, the UK National League, sounds like it refers to a bunch of racist bigots. I do hope if something takes off, it can be named less generic. xD

 Gumpster
Steam me up when you're free!

 MiCk
Cybergamer runs no anti-cheat and there's been nothing happening, it's all about trust with no ac, not saying everyone's legit, just no one seems to be firing accusations.

 fmMMMMmmMMMm
Swear a few big named teams have dropped out of cybergamer due to no anti cheat.

 fmMMMMmmMMMm
That's all well and good, and I think some people have let it slide as we're in the early days of the game. I do think though, that in the future people will start to accuse more, and expect anti-cheats to be a part of the game.

 DazzyJ
I know that's what he meant, it was partly a joke, but also a pointer to anyone who may take it up not to go down that route. :p

 Anto
I heard that, but some people said they didn't even start the league like Team xXx now mouz. 20 teams started, 20 still on the ladder!

UKCL ? that alrdy outthere? LOL

Id love it to work like the English Football leagues work - however that would need monetary incentive and some sort of financial commitment by the teams so they actually bother playing it.

I think the closest thing to perfect is how ESEA works with Open IM Main Invite

 fmMMMMmmMMMm

People got mixed up between Team X who were the swedish team who are still in the ladder and Team xXx. Mousesports (either one of them) were never in it.

cevo had a good league structure, 4pl also run things very smoothly in their money tournaments.

mod aren't thinking of setting this up are they lol...

you would need sponsors, experienced staff that have run large tournaments before, good anticheat, good incentives for teams to bother joining, marketing, seo, bla bla bla.

then the leagues structure would need designing which is a massive task i imagine, qualifier stage, invite stage (winners from qualifier), main stage (all other teams?)

you would need a good 50-100 fully active teams to ever have a successful league.

 onside

My idea wasn't gonna include anything to do with MOD :p

The idea was simple, use what existing structure you had already (ie the leagues we have) and build a National League from that, in fact the idea in the article was using four leagues as a qualifier side of the circuit and both epic & easter iSeries as the other part of a qualifier for the league, and then have 16 teams on a neutral website (hence my suggestion epic.LANs Tournament system as they have that capability), and run the league through that every year, year on year you could make it Top 4 stay in the league and the other 12 have to qualify again to keep the line up fresh.

It really does depend.

i like the idea :D sounds minted

to be honest ungl wanted to be the main uk league to support europe but it only half achieved that, is ungl planning something like this already with the new site, new anticheat, new attention to csgo or will it sort of flatline like it is currently (not a negative).

one main league for uk/europe would be brilliant, a sort of cpl version for successful teams from each main league. in theory you want to rebuild cpl in a sense but not geared towards just pro teams but everyone.

thats a good idea using current leagues because you know any team promoted into nationals will be active so lets say 50 teams after a 6 months league robin would be promoted to nationals and then compete in a new league for money/prizes etc.

would benefit leagues, would get players that stick to one league wanting to join several leagues instead and would help the game become competitive as it once was.

also you find now that because the main leagues don't cater for everyone as much, you see all these mini tournaments popping up all over. i mean kgl is a big fail amongst many other mini league sites that just shouldnt exist and wouldnt if there was a mainframe for the main leagues.

 DazzyJ

So your idea would be more in line with what the French do? ie a Masters Circuit instead of a bog standard league?

 DazzyJ
A Vita Nova that isn't taken over by incompetent morons? :D

 DazzyJ

Oh of course, I was merely suggestion a major benefit system to all leagues in the UK, and of course has the two LANs in centre stage as well.

esl wire is rumoured to of cost 200+,000 dollars, well that is what they published in the release newsletter when it was launched and it is still hacked to death so yeh i see your point dazzy.

 onside

You will never get a cheat proof anti-cheat. Anti-Cheats are designed by people who are clued up with designing cheats, they design the cheats, sell those on the market, and then make an anti-cheat to find those cheats and others. It was no secret that XAC which was coded and designed by Joolz was a guy who also designed private cheats to evade anti cheats.

Theres also the temptation to continue striving at your best, you go to LAN with a fairly solid line up and do well at one LAN, pure luck, but you want to appear to be the best all the time so you purchase cheats online to do so. Until people play with more honesty (which will be never) then you won't see a cheat free game at all.

You do need a semi decent anti cheat to stop the idiots who simply do it out of "fun" of making others rage (never really got that tbh).

 DazzyJ

and where has that got TNWA these days.... broke.... you see I could believe that if you were to analyse deeper, they salaried Joolz to continually code it, they had a datacentre for all the hard-drives to be stored with all the essential information, and so on... (I could analyze it further). Still it hilarious to think they apparently "paid" that amount for it.... in all fairness to XAC, it was a pretty nifty piece of coding, Im sure BradLewis would tell you he misses having XAC around to play with.

 DazzyJ

Anyway back on topic, talk me through your system how would you benefit all leagues and lans?